Even back in 1986 the Watchtower was acknowledging that child abuse happened within the ranks, but that once discovered such ones were disfellowshipped! Interestingly, elders and ms are listed first, hinting that some of these might have been at fault (abuse of position). Tell him to read his own literature!
Lost in the fog
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Child abuse
by Jrjw ini was talking to a jdub yesterday about child abuse in the organisation and this was his response:.
"it has been known for kids to make stuff up.
we have to trust the society on these things, also the legal process is there.
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Is Happiness Without Religion Possible?
by Brian J inaccording to the 11/2017 study watchtower.......apparently not.
is it really true that one can be happy without religion?
certainly an individual can be happy without false religion, but a person cannot be truly happy unless he has a relationship with jehovah, who is described as “the happy god.” (1 tim.
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Are people truly happy in North Korea?
Happiness is indeed a human condition. But within the Org as with North Korea everyone is on tenterhooks in case they step out of line and get slapped.
It is impossible to be truly happy when you are worried that someone of your (supposed) friends might report you for a word spoken out of turn, or a joke with a double meaning you happened to tell.
Christianity is supposed to draw people closer to the Divine Nature, not make them feel afraid, shameful, or guilty 100% of the time.
All Christian religions will be happier doing what the written word of God instructs them to do to follow the path. But once man-made extra conditions come in to control the person, then happiness flies out of the window!
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the watchtower in the uk
by pepperheart inthe watchtower in the uk are expecting volunters in the uk to travel many 100s of miles for a days work either skilled or unskilled in the new bethel at chelmsford;from edinborough in scotland its almost a 800 mile roundtrip.
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And the volunteers have to be able to stand up on their feet all day.
Sort of sounds more like a punishment.
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April 2018 Watchtower
by Listener inhere's a few little gems from the latest watchtower.. 5 many today think that to be truly free, they must be able to do anything and everything they want to do, regardless of the consequences.. this statement is just ridiculous, any normal functioning individual understands the necessity for restrictions, for their own protection and justice as well as for others.
it's a very childish statement with no substantiation and written only to create a perception in jw minds of how worldly people are selfish to the point of being reckless and unrestrained.
they liken adam and eve's sinning which resulted in disaster as being like a pilot not following their designated flight path and make this commenthowever, if the pilot chose to disregard that guidance and fly any route he desired, the result could be disastrous.. this is a very bad analogy because when adam and eve sinned, they had already been forewarned of their disaster to follow.
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I have often thought of Paul saying to Timothy about drinking wine... for his frequent cases of sickness.
The likelihood is that if Timothy had been ill a lot of the time he would have missed lots of the meetings.
If his stomach problems led to diarrhoea he would not have been able to stand up preaching for any length of time either.
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Cleaning up the Relics - How much did they use to charge for books, etc.
by days of future passed insorry i wrote a novel.. i'm trying to clean up.
of course, once you find a pile of pictures or papers, you start looking through them.. i found a small pile of magazines, mostly from 1987. some kingdom ministries, written reviews and a few 1985 -'86 awakes.
i guess 1986 was the last year the magazines were printed in that pastel range of orange, pink etc.
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Haha.
Reminded me of a stern District Overseer at a Circuit Assembly doing an item that the literature was "without charge" but this did not mean it was free.
Charities accept donations and so should we, he insisted. Nowadays, the cart witnesses have big big signs over their carts, FREE LITERATURE please help yourselves.
I'm pretty sure that most people dispose of it the same way as the junk mail which comes uninvited through the letter box. Bin!! 😁 😁
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The Use of Hyperboles.
by Lost in the fog ini have often wondered if jesus deliberately used hyperboles to obscure his meaning.
i can say to my wife that i will love her until the moon is no more.
she well knows that i will love her forever, not simply until earth's nearest satellite crumbles into dust.
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I have often wondered if Jesus deliberately used Hyperboles to obscure his meaning.
I can say to my wife that I will love her until the moon is no more. She well knows that I will love her forever, not simply until earth's nearest satellite crumbles into dust.
Jesus said, "and I will be with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things." Did he mean the world would end? Or did he simply mean that he would not be going away from his followers ever?
Likewise the good news is being preached in all the earth, and then the end will come....
Since the number of people in the world keeps on growing the good news will never ever end and it is assumed that neither will the gospel's true message.
If these are hyperboles nobody in their right mind would take them as anything else, except for the Jehovah's who honestly believe that if they keep on preaching the end of the world will come!
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FINALLY sexual abuse among Dutch JW gets attention on national TV! 80 reports received at Reclaimed Voices reporting centre during 1st month
by redpilltwice inthose who have been aware and informed have seen this coming.. of course it's just the beginning.
80 reports seems to be only the tip of the iceberg.
reclaimed voices is expecting hundreds of cases more.
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Yes a Dutch friend sent me a link.
Probably the same one as already posted.
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Resurrection to Heaven
by Lost in the fog inct russell said the dead would be resurrected to heaven from 1874-1881.. then the judge decided that it was not 1874/5 for the return of christ but 1914, so moving the heavenly resurrection forward to be from 1914-1918.. in truth nobody knows when it happens or happened.
just because the watchtower leadership says something in the printed word doesn't mean that it is true.
zion's watchtower 1881, january.
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CT Russell said the dead would be resurrected to heaven from 1874-1881.
Then the Judge decided that it was not 1874/5 for the return of Christ but 1914, so moving the heavenly resurrection forward to be from 1914-1918.
In truth nobody knows when it happens or happened. Just because the Watchtower leadership says something in the printed word doesn't mean that it is true.
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Zion's Watchtower 1881, January.
"now have taken prophetic measurements and allegories together,
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five different points seeming to teach the resurrection of the dead in Christ and change of the living between the fall of 1874 and 1881. Two or more witnesses are enough to prove any case,
as a rule, and certainly God has given us abundant evidence. We are also glad to notice that all these things only corroborate previous truths, thus proving to a certainty each application as correct and causing the old jewels to shine brighter. The five lines of argument briefly stated are these:
1st. The days of Daniel ending in 1874, at which time the resurrection commenced, and since which, the dead have been
going in to the marriage.
2d. The end of the seven years from that time, as marked by the parallel, of the end of the "seventy weeks" in the Jewish age
ending in our year 1881, at which time we all should be in and the door closed, being the end of time of special favor to the nominal church before commencement of trouble which follows our change.... " -
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Pacifism is Morally Indefensible
by cofty ini have been surprised recently to see so much support by ex-jws for the watchtower's refusal to fight and kill.
in my opinion it is a vice masquerading as a virtue.
of course war should always be a last resort but there are occasions that it has to be done.
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I think about the 10 commandments. The law said "thou shalt not kill."
But that only applied to the killing of your own people (hence the whole cities of refuge arrangement) it didn't mean not to kill in general. Because the Israelites waged war against all the inhabitants of the land. Committing some dreadful atrocities if the accounts are accurate.
So surely if the circumstances call for it warfare is acceptable today?
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Encounter with a long time elder. (Jehovah's happy people)
by freddo inso i'm at work and go to my vehicle parked outside the empty property i'm working at and an elderly man comes out of next door and we recognise each other from when we were elders in the same circuit.
he is early 80's in age, a jw since the 1960's and so the next generation in age up from me.. he's an outwardly jolly sort and asks how i am etc.
(knows i'm not an elder but thinks i'm pimi) and asks if i want a cup of tea so i go in and sit in his kitchen for my lunchbreak and have a chat.. i have a little fish around and ask about how jw's in his hall are.
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If we'd only known that there would be a further in gathering of the anointed ones in the 1980s we could have all jumped on the bandwagon and be living in the luxurious hotel / retirement retreat that the new GB have created for themselves.
But having learned TTATT late in life our health has already been shattered both physically and mentally. It's enough to make us cry.